JON: did i ever show you or did you read
JON: the piece about brain imaging of chimps using tools
JON: their brains become tricked (by their brain) that the tool is a part of their body
JON: once you GRAB something, IT IS YOU
CHRIS: i find all of that absolutely believable
JON: according to your BRAIN
CHRIS: so arms are constantly acquired tools
CHRIS: i was just laying awake all last night marveling at how i am trapped in a body
CHRIS: in a skull
CHRIS: i am looking out of a skull
CHRIS: i am living in a skull
JON: you could argue that
JON: you could also argue that the skull is living around you
JON: or that skulls are like millions of tiny skull people
CHRIS: well your monkey tools kind of supports my point -- the body is not you
CHRIS: the body is more tool matter
JON: but youd have to be some pretty strong drugs
JON: well me could be a tool as well
JON: and i say it is
JON: the SELF is a coping mechanism for the world
JON: WHAT THE FUCK
CHRIS: congratulations
CHRIS: that exclamation is the modern day eureka
JON: haha
CHRIS: but now you understand why this marvel kept me awake
CHRIS: i was thrilled and unable to stop realizing that i am trapped in a body
CHRIS: what is this wagging arm thing doing wagging
CHRIS: its like 6 billion freakshows on this planet
CHRIS: can you "check" the feeling of the center of your finger bone
JON: i can put my awareness there, sure
CHRIS: can you check if the back of your knee is ok
CHRIS: yes!
CHRIS: put your awareness there
JON: but i dont know whether i am making it up
JON: which is great
CHRIS: that means the body is a tool that you selectively occupy
JON: i can agree with that
CHRIS: like the movie aliens
JON: but what is this YOU
CHRIS: that big yellow metal walker
JON: i selectively occupy that as well
CHRIS: ok this "YOU" is not answerable because i have conflicting definitions
CHRIS: [1] i want to say i end at cells. bag of cells. done. [2] i want to say "ME" equals the minimum amount of body mass that can survive [amputate all limbs, torso]
CHRIS: [3] i want to say there is no "ME" - i am clockwork gear, endlessly reacting, cogging
JON: well you are saying that YOU are trapped in a body
JON: so YOU is seperate from a body at some sense
JON: brain in jar
CHRIS: i think the real answer is a GRADIENT
CHRIS: the amount of "you-ness" increases as radius to brain lowers
JON: the fact is
JON: crayons are fun
CHRIS: i smell them every time
CHRIS: [in store aisles]
JON: corallary
JON: everything is a crayon
JON: just find its crayon-ness
CHRIS: so what youre saying is
CHRIS: be autistic
JON: absolutely